Show us your... guitar rig!

rewindspline · Groupie Joined: 10 Feb 2005 Posts: 41

this is part of it - the home recording side with stereo signal (L=effects, R=dry) going through DI's with cabinet simulators, tube A/D converter into S/PDIF, mesa v-twin tube preamp

pedalboard has tube DI buffer to prevent pickup loading, several stompboxes, noise suppressor, rack tuner, isolated power supplies for the pedals

lee_UK · Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 12:41 pm Post subject:

Have you ever tried using an A/B box at the front of the chain? to see what the actual difference is in loss of 'Clean' guitar tone? i mean whats the difference between you going through your rig with everything on bypass, and the tone going straight to the amp?
I have a setup that uses 10 pedals in a chain, and i do notice a bit of tone loss between bypass and straight to the amp, but i have a home made A/B box to switch, i notice yours doesnt. And the worse offender for me was a noise supressor which i notice you have.
Worse pedals in the world for tone loss, Danelctro, those mini pedals! my god they suck the tone right out of your guitar and leave it lifeless, like a well sucked ice lolly (popsicle) all ice no flavour!.

Gordy Smiff · Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 2:14 pm Post subject:

That's a most impressive set-up.
Did you take tap-dancing lessons to be able to use it?

Take no notice of me, I'm just jealous. Wink

rewindspline · Groupie Joined: 10 Feb 2005 Posts: 41

lee_UK wrote:

Have you ever tried using an A/B box at the front of the chain? to see what the actual difference is in loss of 'Clean' guitar tone? i mean whats the difference between you going through your rig with everything on bypass, and the tone going straight to the amp?
I have a setup that uses 10 pedals in a chain, and i do notice a bit of tone loss between bypass and straight to the amp, but i have a home made A/B box to switch, i notice yours doesnt. And the worse offender for me was a noise supressor which i notice you have.
Worse pedals in the world for tone loss, Danelctro, those mini pedals! my god they suck the tone right out of your guitar and leave it lifeless, like a well sucked ice lolly (popsicle) all ice no flavour!.

usually the tone is sucked out because of the loading on the pickups - the guitar signal trying to drive all the pedals, especially old style pedals like the wah

if you buffer the signal first with an active DI it reduces the ...effect... Very Happy

of the effects on the guitar signal dramatically

i go one step further and use a tube DI with output level adjustment - this is basically a pre amp that drives the pedals - works great, especially when you can adjust the output level to suit the pedals, they work much better with a decent signal, and i can use whatever length guitar cable i like

Gordy: the trick is to use them sparingly, not all at once!

where's the rest of the rigs? has to be some good ones out there!

lee_UK · Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 11:34 am Post subject:

I have a pretty simple setup compared to yours,

i dont use more than 2 pedals at any one time,
and the chain goes in the front of the amp,
it's an old 1973 100 watt Hiwatt head with a 2x12 cab,
2 vintage 30's.
I use high quality patch leads (home made)
between the pedals, and there is a home made
A/B box between the guitar and the Wah one side goes to
the chain, the other goes to the bright channel on the amp.
I know the text books say tere are better ways of setting it up,
but from the combination of pedals i use, i find this is the
best solution.... for now.
Any sugestions welcome.

rewindspline · Groupie Joined: 10 Feb 2005 Posts: 41

you have more pedals than i do!

people rant about what order the pedals go in but at the end of the day it all comes down to what you like yourself - why play somebody elses setup?

i think you would benefit from a DI at the start, between the A/B switch and the morley wah.

there is a behringer tube pre amp with output level and gain controls that is ridiculously cheap - it also acts as a splitter so one output can go to a tuner outside of the loop. put this at the start of your effects and you will notice a huge difference in your final sound

power supply is also critical to tone - there are several devices out there that cater for multiple pedal setups - i made my own 7 output power supply but you can buy things like the voodoo labs pedal power 2, juicebox etc

*that's just my home recording setup, half of that shit disappears for stage

stage is just guitar, pedalboard, dual rectifier Very Happy

lee_UK · Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 12:12 pm Post subject:

Can you give a URL to that Behringer pedal? ive got a PB100 booster with gain - treble - bass controls but no splitter like you said? the one i have is here:
http://www.behringer.com/PB100/index.cfm?lang=ENG
i currently use it as a 'solo' pedal, does a very nice job too. and at £12.50p new im not complaining.

glw · Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 1:14 pm Post subject:

Blimey!

Nothing as organised as any of that.

Tim · Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 7:46 pm Post subject:

Just for the sake of contrast, this is my live rig:

Man, I love playing bass Very Happy

The pedal is a Boss LMB-3 Limiter/Enhancer, I don't use it when rehearsing so I can practice my dynamics but I have it on stage to kurb the adrenalin/alcohol effect.

Right, you can all carry on as you were now...

lee_UK · Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 9:39 pm Post subject:

Im not impressed with those cables Tim, did you get them at the local Car Boot Sale? marked up Buy one for £1 and get the other 9 free? Laughing

I have a few pedals for the varied set we play, you have to have a bit of Flanger for 'Are you gonna go my way' dont you? but i only use it for that song.
The originals band i play in is different, i use the bass players kit, he has a Marshall 100watt superlead with 2x12 cab with Fane speakers, and a Boss ME6 multieffects unit from the early 90's, the old guitarist used to play with it, it's kinda like stepping into a dead mans shoes.

One thing i did invest in, and it has paid dividends is high quality cables, i got the best i could afford and they really do make a difference.

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